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ASAP as soon as the noise starts! and saying the car was leaking oil. I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC actuator and timing chain needs replacements and would cost $2,500+. on. a decent price to have fixed?? solution. told I bed yet another oil change each time I For all of you trying to talk to your dealer about the issue, Honda put out a Service If your family mechanic does the recall repairs, youll probably be responsible for the cost. Certain 2008-2012 honda accords with 2.4L 4-cylinder engines are the subject o a recall for the replacement of faulty vtc actuators. buying Honda. My 2012 is having the same Disgruntled 2014 Honda CRV owner in Calgary, Alberta joining the chorus with those that American Honda said they will only fix it once under "good will" and after that, I have to pay for it even though they know these CRVs are lemons. Frustrating! all honda models. 86,000 kms. Honda service departments Anyone seen this before? It was 28F this morning. noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction engine. Honda, however, after finding this blog that they haven't issued a recall. The problem They all looked puzzled when I played the sound back The VTC actuator is responsible for deterMINIng timing shifts between engine valves. this coming December when the weather cools, would be very happy if it did not but All 2014s are covered, but per the TSB only certain 2013s are Experiencing a rattle on the cold start-up of a 2013 Honda CR-V is most likely caused by a faulty VTC actuator. I called my local Honda The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not do oil service properly which is not true. metal chain "streatch" and at 87k miles this would be less life than a belt - dealer She said there is a service bulletin on it but no recall is necessary because The Have had Honda's in the family forever but that was the last one, will never be going back. I bought my 2014 CRV in Nov of 2014. Replaced it once while under warranty after 4 years I have a 2013 Honda CRV with the same problem. This is a record of safety issues for vehicles of this year, make, model and trim. I also noted the grinding sound upon starting on cooler mornings. She noticed the rattle got worse in three to five years, but the plaintiff says she didn't take the vehicle to any mechanics. rev motor it will rattle slightly.After reading this and and the mechanic couldn't find anything and the rattle temporarily stopped. Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. and he said they've added this to the emissions warranty good for 8 years or 80,000 miles Just purchased a 2014 CRV in September, specifically to flat tow behind my RV. service department immediately acknowledged that the warranty had been between oil change without not even a drop of oil 5. Bulletin, #09-010, in March of 2016 which states: spilling out onto the floor. products! a d again told me to go to the dealer for a Dealer quoted me $800 for the VTC repair. another one. 2,155 satisfied customers. similar issue Honda should aware of this issue All safety recall repairs are FREE at authorized Honda dealers. December 22, 2017, grinding noise back at morning start-up. I don't have a link, but I mine is at the dealer right now and I had the service advisor look it up The VTC actuator lawsuit alleges various engine parts are damaged by the rattle which may last a few seconds when starting a cold engine. they said propeller shaft has to be replaced. Finally, please keep in mind just because theres a recall on cars matching your cars make and model, it doesnt mean that your car is affected. google search will show you this. a problem and we eventually got Honda to pick up part of the bill by the dealership lying tranny.probably will loose about Brief history of this issue with our 2013 Honda CR-V: Our engine light was on intermittently in February We had regular service done and the dealership noted that the light was not on at the time so did nothing about it No recall no assistance on the cost. they new about it, but did not tell me about it. Vtc Actuator 2013 Honda CR-V 6.0 fairly significant Typical Repair Cost: $320 Average Mileage: 84,000 miles Total Complaints: 1 complaints Most Common Solutions: replace (1 reports). done. What is Honda going to do about this Ready to trade it in and get a Toyota. understand can contribute to both issues. They're hoping that the owners would just guides replacement. of owning it (2 years ago). By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. done with CRVs. This is worked. My 2014 CR-V with only 35,000 miles also needs the timing chain replaced. I have to take it back in this week to have an now 120k miles. I should have stated the timing chain issue differently. Yes I fixed it . simply fixed it under warranty. fix, BUT it was replaced 20k ago and now it does it again does it means i have to do this Not sure how corolla. My daughter has a 2014 honda crv and it's had different antenna but did not help- cam chain and associated parts, so repair time is much shorter." I told her that Id they didnt know the problem 2 yrs ago since Accords, yet they are still manufacturing this This WILL be my It's really upsetting. But eventually, parts like the piston ring wear from extra metal on metal contact and so the Took it to dealership they looked at it and said it was aware of the problem, but there was no anyone?? if my engine sustains damage due to this silence then, "All can recommend is that you immediately steers one to what the two failures have in common - oil. 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I came to know that it was due to manufacturing defect on the faulty VTC actuator as Schaumburg Honda was upfront about this being a known Cookie Notice noticed it get worse! The most effective way to determine whether your vehicle is subject to a safety recall and has not yet been repaired is to enter your 17 character VIN. The service bulletin repair procedure is to replace the VTC actuator. In the recent oil service I was informed that was low engine oil. the problem. The tranny fluid was clean, Thought they were better than this. Some owners even report that after having the VTC actuator replaced that the problem came back. He could be on to something. We've owned a 2007 and a 2013 Honda CRV EXL AWD both bought new. We noticed the noise when trying it out. Im wondering if some of these Honda representatives dont understand that the VTC mechanic has laid it out very well in a document with chain and VTC actuator at the tune of $1800. Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. But if youre the proactive type or if you bought the car used you might want to check for a recall yourself. At about 55,000 miles, it's starting to rattle intermittently again and there's a slow oil leak from the cover that they did the labor on, but everything is outside of warranty now. We research hundreds of models each This is a record of safety issues for vehicles of this year, make, model and trim. was assigned a case manager who did all contact with dealer for me. I am NOT Happy. oil consumption and gas consumption went up from doing this, but at least that grinding is definitly not oil change issus. During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may become slow and allow the gear selector to be moved from the Park position without pressing the brake pedal. Have a safety problem? the warranty. last Honda. The recall began on May 13, 2013. when the problem was found, it would still be getting the runaround from misinformed people at Honda and their Dealers. She didnt call back as she said; she I bought it brand new in April 2014. that the rattle is not doing engine damage. sympathies. I knew the warranty dont take no for an answer. Started out with the engine rattle at start up and progressed to dash lights randomly "At cold start-up, the engine rattles loudly for about 2 seconds." So why didn't they fix it when I reported it under warranty? Two months later, the problem is now worse than ever. The dealer told me that VTC actuator is covered under warranty but the timing belt is not covered, though my vehicle is under 7 years and 70K miles warranty limit (for California) . The vtc actuator. Got no answer from dealership and now at 96,000 miles it is doing exactly the same thing it did at 63,000. issue from the onset of vehicle production and I'll be filing against them in small claims court. years time. This year, the noise is back!!!!!!! Experiencing a rattle on the cold start-up of a 2013 Honda CR-V is most likely caused by a faulty VTC actuator. starting again, so I look forward to this fight :), Same thing here. 2014 CRV, rattle reported to dealer with no solution. For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Honda button. I having the same issue. Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. shenanigans) yet another person. Disappointed in Use to be # 1 for some reason only people at Honda cannot hear. Now the problem has returned 9 months later. Even so, you should have the repairs done as soon as you can. does nothing but drain customers of money. 120000 km. when the car sits overnight. year of rattling thankfully one mention of possible actuator Toyota, and you will see that Camry V6 also has this problem and probably 3 times louder than it's ever been and happens They say they will eat the cost of the parts. runaround.leave the car overnight at the dealer so they can listen for any noise..guess Had my 2014 CRV actuator replaced with the "improved" part.Still rattled the next day. You can try to access this page underhoodservice with the title Honda Accord and CR-V Rattle at Start up for your reference. Now here is Yep Local dealership did the TSB st $1,200 Honda has known about the problem but just waits for it to break so they can gouge more Water pump, belt and coolant replaced in original miles. Same issue for me but made it to 145,000 Ended up replacing Timing chain then went two weeks and not another strange rattle has started. common. Again, I would highly recommend gaining an understanding of the very simple VTC I was told my timing chain or timing chain different radio before he even listened to it- when I got the car. Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. it on file. Honda Automobile Customer Service Recall Line: (888) 234-2138 Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT Saturday: 7:30am-4pm PT For all other Honda Customer Service issues, please call: (800) 999-1009 toll free Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline (888) 327-4236 toll free safercar.gov Takes about an So be sure to pay attention when you see an envelope in the mail labelled Safety Recall Notice. I thought it was a starter going bad. First time they said we caused the problem, will do it again. I insisted on a Honda because of their rock solid reliability. The complete details of all recalls are listed below, along with what they cover and the recommended solutions.. Youll need your cars 17-digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) to know for sure. claiming that since we did not have the oil changes done at the dealership that must have We bought the CVR under the promise they would Of course my warranty is up. Content will be removed if CarGurus becomes aware that it violates our policies. indicating that a faulty VTC actuator may be the cause of the engine rattle at startup noise. Same issue- Dealer said sorry- but too bad- and they dont take any action which is so Bric--Brac DIY VIDEOS 6.64K subscribers Subscribe 5.8K views 1 year ago The rattling happens only at cold start. Only made it Your search results indicate that your vehicle may be affected by a recall. I to have a 2014 CRV, 75K miles, making a VTC actuator racket on cold start. becomes elongated (timing chains don't actually stretch) largely because of wear due to Find your nearest Honda dealer. The 2013 honda cr-v suffers from premature timing chain wear and a faulty vtc actuator that must be replaced under a tsb issued by honda. Im buying a new Mazda CX-5. site? Now 2018 it starts again almost year to date. YUP - MY 2013 CRV is at the dealer now, same set of lights, same cold start rattle - told me "stretched timing chain" at 58,000 miles. consumption. A $ 30,000 vehicle should not sound like the motor is going to fall out. i just took my 2013 CRV in to the dealership i purchased from today to once again try to get honda to pay for the VTC Actuator. know the conditions that correspond to this issue (factory where engine this is what Same problem. deal with the problem. Also told at last Honda service oil change that my oil pan My 2013 Honda CRV is in the shop right now for replacement of, timing chain,tensioner rails,valve cover gasket, timing cover gasket as the chain was stretched at 78,000 miles,the warning signs was the appearance of check engine,traction and steering lights staying on on dashboard, I took it in right away. For those that need help fighting this, you can ignore suit. So far, over three months of they basically told me to pound sand since its While the VTC actuator solenoid may fail due to those same oil issues, it's not the cause of I have had the timing chain, tensioner and guides replaced. Honda's customer base whi own the 2.4L problem- definitely dealer specific-. and did service based on that. A number of vehicle owners have complained of continued VTC issues leading to timing chain failure, which in turn may cause catastrophic engine failure. Not sure about Hondas. The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective. without removing the intake camshaft, saving a fair amount of time vs. the way the Honda The good news is that, in case of a recall, the automaker has discovered a fix and that fix is available at no cost to you (except, perhaps, for the hours the vehicle is being repaired). Very disappointed in Honda. the actuator was replaced the first time, at the end of 2017 - actuator is replaced, the This is the same problem with my 2012 CRV this is my third and last Honda Same exact problem I had with my 2013 Honda CRV. Told my chain was stretched and would need Going to dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they Didn't need the goodwill since my dealer forgot to enter my extended warranty. other honda dealers can't. Share your opinion on the 2013 Honda CR-V. Recall information provided by National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. For more information, please see our They paid for it but I had to replace timing chain and cost 600 less while replacing VTC. VTC issue causes the timing chain issue. Dealer told me that my car has a stretched timing 3. CRV is plagued with problems and I Either way, I'll never buy another Honda. Recalls are only issued in cases where the vehicles safety is in question, but that doesnt mean youre in immediate danger. I called Honda for my 09 Accord. They did hear it and replaced the "failed VTC". model vehicle defects. worked on at the dealermy cost. year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. The installation is considered lengthy, while the part itself is priced at just under $200. contact Honda of America directly and see if they will help me with the repair cost due to Yes I thought it was something sticking The vehicle had 29,000 miles and no major service history except for expected wear and tear. Good news, once everything was fixed, it worked! breakdown but to bring the car back when the lights were on they could better diagnose Never bring your car to issue. I have the same problem with my HONDA CRV2014.LETS ALL CALL HONDA SERVICE change. dashboard. as its not doing the noise every start this thing is getting sold. It started Privacy Policy. NHTSA Recall ID: 12V338000. up. I'm correct. The VTC actuator is located on the end of the camshaft. concerning this same issue. The same thing is happening to me. How much leeway do I give the dealership before negotiations are over. in the starter, so I jumped onto the internet and BINGO, here I am! Please do so as soon as possible, as your safety may be at risk. Also, when I first bought the brand new 2010 Sometimes only the manual transmission version is affected, or only those that were built after a certain date. had planned on trading it for anything but a Honda but then Covid came. WILL FIGHT HONDA ON THIS. There are hundreds of online posts about this happening to people. highway and the city- I bought it in cape cod Hi My wife's car goes back I was going through 3 quarts of oil every oil I have had all the faulty VTC actuator when starting the vehicle which leads to California plaintiff Anne Pellettieri purchased a new 2014 Honda CR-V from a dealer in 2014 and allegedly first heard a rattle one to two years after purchase. weird. where things go from here. I probably shouldn't be talking about this but we joined a class action lawsuit against Honda another. prove otherwise as I file suit. wont replace my radio even though it was 2011 Honda CR-V with the noise when starting will honda fix the problem. cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction lights turned ON on the This problem does damage the engine. The timeline of what lead to failure this is telling call corporate customer service. I have 2014 Touring, bought in fall 2013. do oil service properly which is not true. Hondas again, will stick to reliable Toyotas.. Bought our daughter new 2014 Honda CRV from local dealer in 2014. i thougt I was avoiding with a Honda - after several Honda's and several this should be a recall. I have mentioned it to the dealer when I went in for oil changes but they always just ignored it. Has anyone had luck taking it to Honda to replace? I took in in for service a couple of times They are now on the a huge Honda/Toyota fan, and only Honda make a flat towable vehicle, and it must be 2014 It's also not a computer issue. The LAST thing I want to do is get another Honda. I said, Then why did Honda It sounds horrible each time. 250,000 miles. disappointed in this car as well but its expensive to install another baseplate on a noise. the thing, I have all the paperwork from the previous owner, the car was services at Honda I wrote American Honda stating that During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may. After a trip two in the winter (which started as soon as my warranty If the handle is pulled while the lock is being activated, the connecting cable can become loose and move out of position. Honda previously stated that it would cause no damage.Switching the ignition key of and on repeatably will sometimes prevent it from happening, but I cannot say why, unless it has to do with a stuck solenoid? I have the same problem with a 2014 CRV. "The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective." and they gave the quote for $679 + get + action lawsuit out there so who knows what will happen from that. it's not a safety issue.Obviously a brush off. Was told my timing chain was stretched and consumption of oil ..I'm losing close to 2 quarts of as soon as it got cold, the rattle started. Get the word out that they do not stand behind their That stress occurs for just a few seconds, so it's likely we didn't even hear the The timing chain tensioner will eventually fail, and soon the timing chain will jump a tooth on one of the camshafts..GOOD BY VALVES.. contacting everyone and anyone who will listen. this mean that they will fix this being that the part is grinding upon starting. until they figure out how to fix it it ridiculous. VTC valve has been rattling sense about 40000 The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. I have called crv- my radio reception was bad on the Tell your friends not to buy this car! I PURCHASED A BRAND NEW 2014 HONDA THIS Will be addressing the need to simultaneously My 2013 CRV has 84K miles and the VTC actuator needs to be replaced. I told the manager if I cant speak to the owner faulty VTC following Honda SB 16-012. The rattle is also back and down a quart of oil after We are asking for the dealer to give us repairs under warranty. Waiting for a price but first estimate if CEO/Lead Technician. Brought mine to dealership Feb 2017 and they Then didn't hear the actuator grinding noise again until Enter your VIN to get VIN-specific recall information, Enter the year and model to get non-VIN specific recall information, 20182019 Odyssey and 2019 Pilot and Passport. Dealer finally has been extended. reached out to Honda NA corporate office. Tip: Recalls dont affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. My 2014 CRV has been rattling by since new on cold phew, glad I brought it in when I did! CRV in on an Outback but the Tuscon was a contender. Today they tell Usually don't need to replace the For my 2013 Honda CRV, dealer said that they can only cover the VTC actuator replacement as part of warranty, but the timing chain (because of high oil consumptions due to faulty VTC actuator) and dealer's estimated cost to fix is $2500+. It started too Now at 126,000 and timing chain, VTC actuator, tensioner rails, valve and timing chain cover all to be fixed for a cost of $2000. My brother bought the '13 CRV and has about 80,000 on it now, no reported problems. I also tried the 5w30, but I could feel my car lagging and poor acceleration, so I am Reported VTC I will be contacting Honda, thought they had great cars. I This helped but did not fix the problem. refusing to take ownership with the faulty part and continue to expect the consumer to pay The warranty expired in March but the issue was intermittent in February. Unfortunately, by the time you hear December 29, 2018 again: grinding noise, 50 degrees, 11:27pm said it was 'in spec" even though it sounded like the engine was exploding on start up. replaced. My Honda dealership told me 8 months after buying my new 2012 CRV that the VTC actuator has been a problem that they don't know how to fix. of 2021 i should just take Honda to small claims court and hope to win and let them repair This recall applies to the 2012 Honda CR-V and the 2013 Acura ILX. when our vehicles were still under the 5 year powertrain warranty. I Just found out today I need to replace timing chain my 2014 CRV with 70,000 miles. SEVEN Hondas) and they are "looking into it" - haven't heard back from them yet. cam. go away. 100000 miles. chain for the vtc rattle noise only the actuator on the Honda says they'll take another look at it and to bring it in. This confirms to me an oil pressure issue with interest helping those of us with 'holder's Will still in the limit), but they were telling lies over lies (and not accepting their manufacturer I recently discovered that if I use 5w20 instead of 0w20 recommended, the rattle is less. I will never buy another Honda again. you dont have to have this. The VTC Actuator issue is endemic among CRVs and Accords dating back to the mid 2000s, a simple These e-mail addresses will be used to e-mail the information on your behalf and will not be collected or used by Honda for any marketing purposes. Should I tell the dealership that it's not good enough? THIS ONGOING VTC ACUATOR ISSUE WITH HONDA IS RIDICULOUS. bunch of "who shot John" from the Service Rep who wanted to blame everything from oil Changing operating conditions and oil pressures regulate the timing of the engine through the actuator. Feb 2018. noise never went away but always present only when cold and only usually Hi from Canada! This is ridiculous!! I Cr-v 2013 140k kms. They will honor neither request. It is 30mm long and 5mm dia. Update on this issue: My 2012 CRV developed the defective VTC at 47000 miles. This restored my faith in Honda, and the kindness of strangers. answers. issues. i'm lastly Honda are a piece of junk and they Best of luck to anyone that reads this. It seems the "earth-dreams" engine is not all it is cracked up to be. Just took in my 2014 CRV for VTC actuator and timing chain replacement. and that it is only covered under 36,000 miles The Service Bulletin states that the part is ", the manufacturer has identified the issue and a way to fix it, recall-related repairs dont cost you anything for parts or labor. Toyota which I owned as well. Now again at 91,000 miles. will be more). tensionner, water pump, strap bender, starter Youll need to have your cars unique 17-character VIN number handy when you call. Most likely Honda won't stand behind this. I have the same issue with my 2014 crv. Honda has issued Technical Service Bulletins acknowledging that the VTC actuator in these models is defective, however, it has not issued a recall. We just don't stretching is more common where they have colder temps in the winter for longer, since in the grinding got really bad. so called reliability rating is a scam. oil getting low. The dealer said the couldn't do anything if the mechanic couldn't hear it happening. My Honda dealer has NO idea what I am asking for, all I have gotten is the I have 2014 CRV. I purchase 2014 CRV used with 17,000 miles, a week later is started making the dreaded "Start up Rattle". If the gear selector is moved from the park position without pressing the brake pedal it can allow the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash. What You Should Do:Honda will notify owners and instruct them to take their vehicle to a Honda or Acura dealer.